April 1, 2026

When Your Past Is Waiting For You

Send us Fan Mail A single trip back to Cuba turns into a confrontation with the one place Mario Cartaya never truly left: his own childhood. After 56 years away, he walks familiar streets, returns to his old school, and finds himself pulled toward a balcony where a long-buried scene suddenly plays in full color. What follows is as intimate as it is unsettling, a moment where he can almost see his eight-year-old self sitting beside him, and he finally understands what it means to reopen the va...

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A single trip back to Cuba turns into a confrontation with the one place Mario Cartaya never truly left: his own childhood. After 56 years away, he walks familiar streets, returns to his old school, and finds himself pulled toward a balcony where a long-buried scene suddenly plays in full color. What follows is as intimate as it is unsettling, a moment where he can almost see his eight-year-old self sitting beside him, and he finally understands what it means to reopen the vault of memory without being swallowed by it.

We talk about how the subconscious protects us, why certain places act like emotional keys, and what real closure looks like when the people you loved are gone. Mario shares the extraordinary chain of events that leads him through Havana’s Colón Cemetery, lost records, and a phone call that sounds impossible until it’s true, Fidel Castro’s son helps point him toward his family’s grave. Along the way we dig into grief rituals, identity repair, and the difference between forgiving and making peace with your destiny.

The conversation also widens into Cuban history, architecture, and Mario’s research on a forgotten century of US Cuba friendship using the Library of Congress. We end with the story of the pelican on the beach, a symbol that lands at the exact moment he needs permission to believe his father would be proud. If you care about immigrant identity, Cuban exile stories, healing the inner child, and the psychology of memory, you’ll want to hear this. Subscribe, share with someone who misses home, and leave a review telling us what part of your own story you’d go back to find.

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Chapters

00:08 - Return To Cuba After Decades

01:22 - The Balcony Memory Reappears

06:02 - Inside The Vault Of Memory

11:27 - Finding The Family Graves

20:23 - Walking Into The Fourth Grade Room

22:50 - Turning The Book Into A Movie

25:54 - Researching A Century Of Friendship

29:50 - Identity As Cuban And American

34:03 - Reconciling Without Excusing Regimes

38:43 - The Pelican Sign From Dad

47:21 - Values Learned From The Greatest Generation

55:53 - Where To Find The Book

Transcript
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Welcome to Real Talk with Tina and Anne.

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This is part two with Mario Cartea.

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What happens when you finally go back to the place that your life was split in two?

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In part two, Mario Cartea returns to Cuba for the first time in over five decades and comes face to face with a family that he was separated from as a child.

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He stands at the grave of his grandparents, the ones he never got to say goodbye to, the ones he carried in silence all those years, and in a moment that feels almost impossible to believe.

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But Fidel Castro's son helped him find them.

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But this isn't just about a return.

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It's about reopening the vault of memory, about sitting beside the eight-year-old boy he once was, and finally giving him the peace that he never had.

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And what makes this story even more powerful?

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This is a man who went on to be honored by the United States government, a highly recognized architect, and someone who has rubbed elbows with presidents, yet still carried a piece of his past that needed healing.

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How do you rebuild a life that was interrupted?

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And what happens when you finally go back to where it all began?

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This is part two where we talk about Mario's book, Journey Back into the Vault in Search of My Faded Cuban Childhood Footprints.

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But it was like also that your past and your now were coming together and your now was like welcoming your past and saying that to you, welcoming you.

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The biggest moment when that happened was in the same balcony where I saw my father ask for permission to leave.

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Okay.

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That was um that was right towards the end where I went to the previous house that I lived in uh right before we moved into the Apollo house, which is the house from where I left.

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We moved to a brand new development.

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They were all new homes.

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And when they began building, and my father who was doing very well in his accounting practice, said, okay, let's move there.

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Right?

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And so I'm back in that other home.

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Um and they let me in, and all the while that the guy that was there who remembered us, all the while that the guy is touring us through this house that I'm remembering step by step, something kept saying, go to the balcony.

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I didn't know why.

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I call it my siren song.

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I kept looking at the balcony and then continuing looking at it again.

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It's like I could not get myself over the balcony.

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I did not remember that moment yet.

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That moment came back.

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But I I asked Gahilberto, who was the son of the owner of the uh of the house.

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I said, Can I go out there alone?

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I think I need to experience something.

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I gotta go there.

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No, you can't.

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My mother is there, she's in a bad mood, she's got a bad headache.

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Don't go in the balcony.

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I said, okay, can at least go up as far as the last uh stair tread.

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She goes, okay, you can go to the landing, he said.

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You can be more comfortable, but don't go beyond that.

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Okay, okay, I won't.

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I don't want to deal with a woman that has a headache and isn't feeling well.

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No, no way.

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So I did.

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I went there and I sat right at the edge of the stairs and looked down.

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And that's when the whole scene played out.

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My father asked him for, and I remembered it.

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And it was extremely emotional.

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I'm remembering everything that happened, everything I felt when I was eight years old, sitting there, realizing the future that was in front of me.

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And then all of a sudden, I looked and I saw my eight-year-old self sitting right next to me, looking at me.

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And it was weird.

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Like, Mario, why are you seeing yourself when you're young?

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And then I realized, no, it's just a memory.

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So just a strong memory.

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But in my mind, first thing that I thought is, look at me.

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Look at how innocent I was.

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And then funny enough, my parental instincts kicked in.

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And it was like, I want to tell him that everything is going to be okay.

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I want to tell him, you know, all the things that are going to happen.

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Uh he always knows that it'll always be okay.

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But then it dawned on me.

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Um I don't have to.

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Because he's always been me.

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He's always been inside me.

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That's my past.

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That's what I kid you're looking for.

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And then he he just disappeared.

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And then I realized the importance of the moment.

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He had all the memories.

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Me when I was nine, eight, sitting there, had all the memories.

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We divided that day.

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He couldn't come with me.

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And so there he was in my subconscious.

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That's where he lived.

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Far enough away.

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And at that moment we teamed up again.

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He became me.

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And then it was just a matter of memories and memories and memories and memories and memories returning some beautiful.

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That was one that I remember going into the garage of that house.

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And my grandfather used to, for fun, uh, do carpentry.

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He would do beautiful sculptures and and also furniture.

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And one day I walked in there, the middle of a Havana summer, hot as can be, and he's sitting there sweating and planing some wood with the old planers, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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And I remember looking at him and saying, Tata, that's what I used to call him, ta-ta.

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Um, I feel something funny in my heart seeing you work that hard and sweat the way you do.

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Am I gonna be okay?

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And my grandfather getting up from his chair, coming over to me, holding me up in the air, hugging me, and then saying, Marito, you just gave me a great gift.

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That feeling you have in your heart, that's because you love me, son.

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And I remember that.

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More than remember what happened, I remember how I felt.

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And I remember thinking, so this is what love is.

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Because not only did the memories come back, but the way that I felt when I was making that memory came back as well.

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I was that age.

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What I now know that I didn't know then, is that um every time you remember something, you're really remembering the last time you recalled it.

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And along the way, your brain keeps making bridges to fill in what is forgotten.

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Voices, colors, background, you know, all that.

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Right?

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But in my case, since I never remembered any of that, it was like it happened the day before.

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They weren't corrupted, not at all.

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So I didn't just remember my memories like reels, an entire conversation with the context inside the garage.

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The context he was planning a piece of wood.

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There weren't pictures, there were movies, videos.

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Because to my mind, to my conscious mind, that happened the day before.

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Because I had never thought of it for 56 years.

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Now I know that.

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I didn't know it then.

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I just knew that some wonderful things were happening to me and that there was a force greater than me at play.

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Wow.

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I you you painted that so visually, so beautiful.

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I mean, it was I just picture you sitting next to your eight-year-old self.

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Yeah.

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I mean, oh my gosh, that's just so touching.

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And and how you became one in that moment from who you were now in in that eight-year-old self, and letting yourself know that you're going to be okay, that you've always been you.

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I mean, oh my gosh, I'm I'm getting teary.

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You know, I mean, that that um that's that's really a beautiful visual.

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And I'm so glad that you were able to have that.

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And you had to go all the way to Cuba to get that.

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The stimulus.

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You probably would not have had that kind of closure if you would not have ever gone back.

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Well, absolutely.

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It it was now I know, I did know it then, but now I know uh that it was the stimulus.

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What happens, what they tell me that happened is that when I went back to my home, recognizing where I was, put me there.

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Once they put me there, I'm in my subconscious already.

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Right.

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So at that point, the subconscious says, let it go.

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He's here, he's inside the subconscious, let it go.

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So at every at every point of stimulus where I put myself in the subconscious memories, not conscious, but the subconscious memories, I'm there already.

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That's the vault.

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Every time that I went somewhere and they brought back the memories, I'm inside the vault.

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I was preaching the vault.

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The vault is the subconscious.

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Okay.

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So going journey back into the vault.

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The vault is two things.

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It's Cuba, which always has been a vault, but it's also that place in the subconscious where our memories that are quite not so good are kept away from us so we don't spend our times thinking backwards, but we concentrate in the future.

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It's a survival mechanism.

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Now I know.

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Right.

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And it's a giving permission.

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It's allowing yourself to go there.

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And when the memories are revealed, to allow them to be whatever they are.

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The good and the bad.

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The good and the bad, right?

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Because you you also visited the graves of your grandparents.

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Oh, yeah.

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That was Yeah.

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Uh people you love deeply and and you never got to see them again.

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I mean, I'm sure that that was incredibly emotional.

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What was that like for you?

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And did you get other did other memories come back because of that?

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Yeah.

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Um I I knew that they were buried in Cologne Cemetery.

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That's a huge cemetery with more than a million graves in it.

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Um it's almost like like a city inside of Havana.

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Huge area.

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And nowhere.

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So we we drive there, we we go to the office, and I I'm talking to the lady in the records room, and I told her, I'm here to visit my um family's grave.

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Uh, do you have anything listed under Marcos Mateo?

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Because he was the first to go.

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So I figure, okay, if it's the first to go, it'll be under his name.

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You know?

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Mm-hmm.

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And she comes back from the old records, and there are no computers.

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She goes into this huge vault of her own to find all these documents.

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She comes back, paper.

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I can't find anything under Marcos Mateo.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm not my heart fell.

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I thought that's one, that's one of the biggest reasons why I went.

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I had to say goodbye.

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I need a closure.

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Yeah.

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And so then I remembered that someone told me that once that a person named Odio had buried us along with his family, because for a while you could not own your grave in Cuba.

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Communism, right?

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You can't own anything.

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That's private.

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So you can own your grave.

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So you have to be buried in a mass grave of people who died in your city that week.

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That kind of a thing.

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So, Mario, don't worry, there's a family called Odio who took care of you guys.

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Okay.

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So, do you have anything named for this guy named Odio?

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Let me check.

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So she goes back, comes back again.

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No, I'm sorry, I don't have anything for that either.

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I'm about ready to give up.

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And then she goes, but I do have a grave with a Marcos Mateo.

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That's listed under a different name.

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Well, can I have it?

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Come with me.

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So she made me go to a corner of the office where there was there was nobody around, and she says, Um, I'm gonna give you the men's name and phone number.

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Suffice it to know that this is Fidel Castro's son.

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What?

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Exactly.

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That's what this is Fidel Castro's son.

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So I said, okay, look, I've spoken to American presidents, Argentinian presidents, Peruvian presidents.

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I can talk to Fidel Castro's son.

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No problem.

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Give me his number.

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So I called him up.

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Three rings later, he answers the phone in Spanish.

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So I said, hello, he goes, hello.

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I said, my name is Mario Cartalla Mateo.

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And he goes, Mayito?

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So I I stopped and I said, please.

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His name is Angel.

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Angel.

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I said, Angel, um, how do I know you?

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Don't you remember?

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I said, no, that's why I'm here.

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To remember.

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He goes, ah, we knew each other from school.

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When we were kids, we played together all the time.

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And then his mother had married my uncle after I left.

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And so there's a relationship there.

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And I knew this kid growing up in my school.

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Once he said it, but oh yeah, Angelito.

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Now I know who he was.

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But back then, you don't know.

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Angel, Angelito.

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I mean, how many angels have I met in my life?

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Other than the ones who seem to follow me everywhere, right?

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Um so I said, um, boy, yes, this is quite a surprise.

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He goes, Yeah, I kind of thought that it would be for you.

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I was hoping that you would you would call me someday.

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And so, you know, we went to the wedding together, right?

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And so um he said, Have you have you been over to your family's grave yet?

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And I said, No, Angel, I haven't.

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That's why I'm calling you.

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Uh, somehow your name is listed with uh my family's grave.

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I'd like to know where it is, so I can go there and pray.

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And he says, Look, I'm sorry, uh, I don't know where it is, but my ex-wife knows.

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So, well, can you call her and ask her to nominal Mario?

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I I can't call her.

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We haven't spoken to each other in 10 years.

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Oh my god.

00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:38.559
And I began laughing.

00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:44.720
Well, I can see the divorces in Havana are just as bad as those in the United States.

00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:46.399
He began to laugh.

00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.399
But I said, Don't worry, don't worry.

00:16:48.720 --> 00:17:00.240
Here's what he was gonna do call his daughter, who lives in Cologne, Germany, for her to then call back her mother, sitting in Havana, for her to call me.

00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:09.680
So I'm figuring, okay, six hours difference between here and Germany and back to call and Cuba's telephone system is not that good.

00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.640
Uh I'll never get anything back.

00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:14.400
So, okay, no problem.

00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:15.279
Thank you.

00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:16.400
I appreciate that.

00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:28.240
And so I told um the um guy that we hired to tour us through them and take us to the grave sites, okay, let's go see my other grandfather's name, uh uh, please.

00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:33.839
The Cartaya, who died when my father was only four years old.

00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:34.880
Okay.

00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:36.160
I had never met.

00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:42.160
So he he takes me there, and there I am in front of my grandfather that I never met.

00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.640
But it's still family.

00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:50.240
My grandmother is not buried with him because she eventually came to the U.S.

00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:58.079
But yet there it is a lot for two with only one part being open.

00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.480
So obviously, she intended to be buried next to her husband.

00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:09.359
She just died in Miami, and we buried her there about 20 years ago.

00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:16.720
While I'm there, I get my driver running at me with a cell phone.

00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:23.440
Mario, I have a lady that says she knows you, that she was married to Fudor Castro's son.

00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:28.319
I didn't tell anybody about that, but okay, now the secret is out in the open.

00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:29.920
So give me the phone.

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So I speak with her and she goes, Maito, do you remember me?

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And I said, No.

00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:37.039
And then she told me about her.

00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.960
She was my mother's student in the in the school, too.

00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:41.839
Oh, okay.

00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:46.160
And I went to her wedding with I and her son, all that.

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And so she gave me the address.

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I had to go through all that in order to then get the address.

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So then we were able to finally go find my family, and um, and I had my closure.

00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:09.920
I spoke with them, and I had brought from here photographs of my American family.

00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:17.039
And I had the pleasure of putting all those photographs on top of their graves.

00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:21.599
They have these things where you put letters or flowers or whatever.

00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:27.359
So I put all of the photographs of all of us that came here, including my parents.

00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:37.279
And at that point, I was able to re-reunify the family for the first time in 56 years.

00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.160
Now they weren't alive.

00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:41.839
But you know what?

00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.279
That was good enough for me.

00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:49.440
I was able to somehow bring us all together, if only in a symbolic fashion.

00:19:50.079 --> 00:20:01.119
It is absolutely miracle after miracle after miracle that you found this person that led you to this, that led you to this.

00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:03.759
I mean, oh my gosh.

00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.039
And then, I mean, how long were you there?

00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.640
In Havana, I was there for six days.

00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.920
So all of this happened within that amount of time.

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And more.

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Um is there any other stories that you want to share before we move on?

00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:22.160
Because these are amazing.

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My school.

00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:25.759
I go to my school.

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Edison Institute is now just called the Edison School.

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Okay.

00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.440
They changed, but at least they allowed the name Edison.

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And like everything in Cuba, nothing has changed.

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You you it's like you go into a time capsule.

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And so I meet the headmaster, I'm able to talk talk to her into allowing me to go with a guide through the school just to see it again.

00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:04.799
Ten steps away from the the uh um superintendent's uh office, the guy gets a phone call from his girlfriend, he's gotta leave.

00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:07.680
Guys behave, don't get me in trouble.

00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:08.799
Good.

00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:14.400
So now I'm with George and we're walking around, and again, the siren song begins again.

00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:16.480
George, let's go to the second floor.

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So we climb up to the second floor.

00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.240
Kids changing classes, right?

00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:28.319
And so as I'm walking, I gotta open that door.

00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.680
Just a random door in the second floor.

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I opened the door.

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There's nobody inside, except for a sign that says, Welcome to the fourth grade.

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That was the classroom from which I left Cuba quietly one day, so as to not get beat up by people knowing that I was leaving for the U.S.

00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:58.559
And there I am, right back in my classroom that I left with the sun.

00:21:58.720 --> 00:21:59.759
Welcome to the fourth grade.

00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:08.559
And all of a sudden, it's like I could see all the other kids sitting around me, and I began to recognize some of them.

00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:11.839
That's where Pepito used to sit.

00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.039
You know, that's where Millie used to sit.

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And little memories came back.

00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:21.759
Almost expecting at any minute for the teacher to come in.

00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:24.480
Thank God she didn't.

00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:37.200
But that's amazing that you found the school even and then the room.

00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:43.119
The only room I went into happened to be the school from where I left.

00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:45.119
The classroom from where I left.

00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.799
I mean, you can't write this.

00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:49.920
I mean, this is a movie.

00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.960
It it needs to become a movie.

00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:58.000
I mean Well, um, there is um a group in Hollywood.

00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:03.279
I got up a phone call uh about two years ago from this lady called Cecilia Hall.

00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.920
Cecilia Hall is an Academy Award winner for Hunt for Red October.

00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.599
She's a sound editor.

00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.759
And she read the book.

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:18.000
And she gave me a call from Hollywood saying, Mario, um, I read your book.

00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.799
Have you ever considered making a movie?

00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:25.440
I'm thinking, okay, this is one of those spam type calls.

00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:26.079
All right.

00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.599
So I said, okay, how much money is it going to cost me?

00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.119
She goes, nothing.

00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.759
Mario, I am Cecilia Hall.

00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:34.880
Look it up.

00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:36.400
Okay, I will.

00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.119
And I want to put together a team for you.

00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.640
Because as a matter of fact, what are you doing next week?

00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.920
You want to come to Hollywood so that you can meet us?

00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:48.079
I figured, why not?

00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.319
I haven't been to California in years.

00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.000
Little vacation with her.

00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:54.000
So I fly out to LA.

00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:59.279
I she takes me to this restaurant and she introduces me to this guy.

00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.359
His name is Tibor Takax.

00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:05.599
Tibor Takax is a Hollywood um director.

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.680
He's directed 70-something movies in Hollywood.

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.400
Like her, they're both Hollywood royalty.

00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.079
They've been around a long time.

00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:14.640
Okay.

00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:28.240
And uh he Takax says, Mario, please allow me to be your director on this movie because uh I left Hungary just like you left Cuba and had been back for 35 years.

00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.880
Your book, your story, is my story.

00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.119
A lot of things in common.

00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:35.759
So I can't say no to that.

00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:37.119
So I said, sure.

00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:38.960
What's it gonna cost me?

00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:39.519
Nothing.

00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.920
We're gonna make a movie for the love of filmmaking.

00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.119
So now uh we're done with the movie script.

00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:53.599
Uh we have a filmmaker that needs to do it.

00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:57.599
We're ready to now get investors.

00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:03.920
We haven't really tried too hard to get investors in.

00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:10.960
I've been trying to finish my uh third book that should be finished today, tomorrow.

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.359
I'm putting the final touches on it.

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:17.599
Uh but then beginning next week, I'm gonna start looking at investors.

00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.920
Uh, we need three million dollars in order to make the movie happen.

00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.279
And we're all very optimistic that the timing is right.

00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:31.119
With everything happening in Cuba today, the timing of this is perfect.

00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:32.400
Returning.

00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:33.200
Of course.

00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.880
Everything has been perfect.

00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:38.160
All the timing has been perfect with your story.

00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.039
Yeah, and so why not this one as well?

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:47.759
So, yeah, it's funny you should mention a movie, but yeah, there's a movie that hopefully will be made sometime this year.

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.400
And uh, we're now in the process of uh getting funds.

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.240
What is your third book?

00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.559
Oh, the the third one you're gonna love.

00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:04.400
When I retired from architectural practice, you know, as you know, I had a 43-year business that did very well.

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:09.039
Uh bringing all kinds of awards uh to the U.S.

00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:13.759
on all these buildings that I've done, airports and things of this sort.

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:22.000
And um when I retired, uh, I was given the honor of having an American flag flown over the U.S.

00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.759
Capitol to honor me and everything that I've done.

00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.799
Along with that came a pass.

00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:48.160
I I have a card that allows me to have the same rights and privileges as any sitting senator or congressman to go in the library of Congress and look at anything up to a classified uh setting.

00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:49.839
So I used it.

00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:51.759
Two years ago I used it.

00:26:52.480 --> 00:27:14.319
And I got data, only data, uh, and letters and congressional acts, congressional votes, this kind of a thing, military records on what was the US and Cuba friendship cooperation between 1860 and 1960.

00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:54.640
And what it showed me was the realization that there was a friendship that was beautiful, how both nations would do something for each other constantly to help each other for 60 years in a subject where everything you read is either you know way right or way left, and there is no truth where they're quoting quotes of people that never bothered to check uh in the Library of Congress, but they're quoting other authors who never check, right?

00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.720
Uh stories became truth that weren't.

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.759
And my research proves it wrong.

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:15.119
So I I wrote the book to set the record straight that yes, there was a time that the US and Cuba were just not business partners, but friends.

00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:21.279
A friendship that was possible only because it was the greatest generation.

00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:33.680
There were people whose values were very different, very positive, and where friendship a handshake meant everything to them.

00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:40.000
Honor, reputation, legacy, meant everything to those people.

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:49.519
And with that, since both countries had the same value system, it was easy for people to become friends when you trust each other.

00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.039
And that's what that book's all about.

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:54.880
I'm finishing it up.

00:28:55.200 --> 00:29:08.799
Uh I is gonna go back to the publisher probably Friday, tomorrow, and uh from there to go back to the editor that already had given me some things to do.

00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.000
And I think it's gonna be another one of those great books.

00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.000
Oh my gosh, it sounds like it.

00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.400
And even though the government changed things, it's the people were still the same.

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.680
Exactly.

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:33.599
I talk about that in in Journey, back into the bowl, where I say something like such is the um unconventional relationships between the Cubans, whether in the island or in exile.

00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:40.000
No matter what, there's a brotherhood that transcends the politics.

00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:41.839
Amen.

00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.160
I mean, seriously.

00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:49.039
How did returning to Cuba change the way that you saw yourself?

00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:50.319
100%.

00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:55.200
When I went there, I was I've always been characterized as a Cuban American.

00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:57.200
I've always been okay with that.

00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:58.480
I'm a Cuban American.

00:29:59.039 --> 00:29:59.920
Exactly.

00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.519
When I came back, I wasn't.

00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:15.920
When I came back, I came back as a Cuban and as an American, living in peace within one body and in one life.

00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:17.680
Our own.

00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.279
I can be more American than any American with you.

00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:28.319
I can be more Cuban now than any Cuban with any Cuban friend.

00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:30.559
I'm both.

00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.240
One doesn't believe the other.

00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:43.200
I am a child of two cultures, I'm a child of two of two countries, I'm a child of two everything.

00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:54.079
The one thing that keeps everything together are the values that both the Cubans and the Americans had, at least while I was growing up.

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.240
I always looked at the Americans as being Cubans who spoke English.

00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.839
No different than me.

00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.759
No different than my parents.

00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:03.359
That has never changed.

00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.000
And the same way that I look at Cubans as being like me.

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.319
It's who you are as a person.

00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:12.640
As a human.

00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.839
Both of your worlds just came together.

00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.400
Yeah, the you became now.

00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.119
I am two beautiful cultures living in one beautiful mind.

00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.599
Did your parents keep those traditions and cultures after they returned here to the United States?

00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:34.559
Did you live a lot of those Cuban cultural experiences?

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:51.599
The one thing that kept us together as a family, uh just celebrating each other, was uh the culture of every Sunday, no matter what, we meet and we have a family lunch.

00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.759
You know, and during that lunch, my mother plays the piano.

00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:08.880
And when I was in the in the cemetery, I forgot to mention this, right after I cried my eyes out, because I realized that I had promised my dad I would never cry, I never had.

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:20.720
I realized that as I was going through this incredible uh mix of feelings of being three feet away from my family that I left.

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:30.160
And when I finished all of my my crying, um my mind went to one of those Sundays.

00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.400
See the pattern?

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:32.880
Yeah.

00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.640
But then the mind goes to, yeah, but now remember this.

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.440
And there they all were.

00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:50.240
My uncles, my father, telling stories I I wasn't allowed to listen to.

00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.640
But I did, because I'm hurrying.

00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.160
I used to hide and listen to them.

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.559
Right?

00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:56.640
Don't found me out yet, you know.

00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.039
I'm I may be a little, but I understand.

00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:10.000
I'm allowed to listen to their stories, and my uncle drinking the beer out of the same glass that I saw in Hector's house, and I brought with me.

00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:11.279
I have it here.

00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:13.680
My uncle's glass.

00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:26.720
And my my my mom playing the uh the piano during that time, and my father just my grandfather, the patriarch, just looking over everybody with a big smile on his face.

00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:27.839
This is the family.

00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.079
This family formed.

00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:37.920
And all that memory came back in the cemetery to stop me from crying and bring a moment of joy.

00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:46.720
Yeah, I'd rather remember them, not as bones, you know, in caskets, but yeah as my family.

00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:47.680
Right.

00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.039
That brought so much joy to each other.

00:33:52.000 --> 00:34:00.000
It sounds like there was a lot of remembering, but there was also maybe a lot of forgiving through it as well.

00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:01.680
Reconciliation.

00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:09.599
What was there a process of forgiving maybe the government or things that went on in order to separate your family?

00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.159
Well, it's it's a matter of how do you define it.

00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:12.639
Okay.

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:13.199
Right.

00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:20.400
Uh do I forgive the government uh for all the acts of violence that they've had against people?

00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:21.280
Of course not.

00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:22.079
Yeah, that's why.

00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.320
Do I forgive them for the diaspora?

00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:29.440
Of course not.

00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.440
But the people hurt, not only here, but there as well.

00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:38.480
For every Cuban who leaves Cuba, there's a family left behind that misses them.

00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:38.960
Yeah.

00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:40.559
It works both ways.

00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.760
The pain is equal on both sides of the Florida Straits.

00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.880
But am I at peace with my destiny?

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.360
That's the bigger question.

00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:54.079
Yeah.

00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:55.920
I had a destiny.

00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:12.880
My destiny was to come to the US and accomplish what I accomplished here with my parents, with my brother, and to be able to then in the twilight of my life, go back and make peace with everything.

00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.400
It was meant to be.

00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:15.920
And I'm okay with that.

00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.719
Not everything in life is gonna be roses.

00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.000
You're gonna have some thorns along the way, too.

00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.239
And I'm okay with that.

00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.800
That's what was in the cards for me.

00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.320
So I don't blame the government for my destiny.

00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:36.480
I don't blame the other Cubans because they couldn't have been nicer to me.

00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:37.039
Right.

00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:45.920
They could not have been more welcoming, more helpful every time that I wanted to do something, and more forgiving of me.

00:35:48.800 --> 00:36:01.440
I made reconciliations and I made friends and I made um I made peace with them, or most importantly, I made peace with me.

00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:12.159
Yeah, you know, I was gonna ask you about your inner peace that you describe in your book, and the the peace actually, it feels like you found exactly what you were looking for.

00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.400
Absolutely, and much more.

00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:16.320
Wow.

00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.400
So it's more than a place that you visited, it's a it's a place of acceptance.

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:25.280
I visited myself.

00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:27.679
That's what that's what I did.

00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:36.400
I just I had to go there to visit myself, to breach the the walls of, you know, the vault.

00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:37.840
Right, right.

00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:39.679
I had to go there for that.

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.440
Your um book received the book Nomad Tales Five Star Awards.

00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.800
We have three international awards, okay.

00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.280
Two uh American Writers Awards.

00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:56.880
There's two from England, from London, and there's one from I think Australia.

00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:57.840
Wow.

00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:09.760
And the the book Nomad Tales Five Stars Award was because of, I mean, it's a story crosses over many cultures and generations, and it's it's it's the bigger picture.

00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:11.679
It's human, it's humanity.

00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:17.760
You know, we we turn to bury humanity behind many things, but we shouldn't.

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.320
Human connection, right?

00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:26.559
Humanity should always come first before anything else.

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.599
This is such a human story.

00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:58.239
I mean, it I mean, understanding your past in order for you to become whole, visiting your eight-year-old self, sitting next to your eight-year-old self, unlocking that vault, going to your grandparents' graves, and and also the connections of the people that you met along the way that were actually people from your past, that who in the world would have thought that you would have been standing in front of?

00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:04.719
I know that you probably never imagined that you would ever connect with them again.

00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.119
What a gift.

00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.159
So, I mean, everything that you discovered on this journey, I mean, would you go back again?

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.920
You took your son back.

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.119
What was that like?

00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:23.280
Oh, that was beautiful to be able to show him um his heritage.

00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:24.159
Right.

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:31.679
Not not just his heritage by being my son, but his uh architectural heritage as well.

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:32.880
The buildings.

00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:44.559
Um those that came to with the Spanish colony in the in the 1500s, you know, and those that was that were built by the Cubans and the Americans later on.

00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.119
Cuba today is a museum.

00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.599
Since nothing has been built there since 1960.

00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:52.960
Or very few things.

00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:03.360
Everywhere you go, there's a history lesson that if you don't know, then you miss.

00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:09.519
But you're missing walking through the history of Cuba by all the buildings left behind.

00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.159
Here we tear them down and we rebuild.

00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.159
And then we tear those down and we rebuild it, and so on.

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.559
There they haven't torn anything down.

00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:24.639
So 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800, you know, 1900 building, they're all there.

00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:32.639
So you can tell how Cuba changed because it's all there waiting for you to see.

00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.719
And I didn't expect that either.

00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:35.599
Mm-hmm.

00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.000
Yeah, that's interesting.

00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:47.599
And I it's amazing that you got to share that experience with your son and take him to the places that you grew up in before you had to leave.

00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.559
It was a beautiful experience, of course.

00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.159
Uh, we hugged each other.

00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.000
Well, I took my my daughter too.

00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:55.840
It was my daughter that it took.

00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:56.400
Yeah.

00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.000
Um and it was wonderful for all of us.

00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.719
Now I think that now they know me a little better.

00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.400
Yeah, isn't that I mean, that is just so important.

00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.239
That's what I want my kids, you know.

00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:14.559
We just want to pass those things down to our kids so they can pass them down to their and and it's more than just your story.

00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.960
I mean, it's a history lesson.

00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.280
Well, that that's all part uh of the 100 years of friendship.

00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.480
That's the book's name that I'm releasing pretty soon.

00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.480
It's a hundred years of friendship.

00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.400
Okay, well, that's a tease.

00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.119
That's a tease for what's coming.

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:32.800
That's all there.

00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:41.760
You you can't write it and not write about what happened in the Spain colonial years that then leads to the Americans, right?

00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.920
Coming in, and and so it's it's all outlined.

00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.760
And I do have a passage that kind of says something like that.

00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:50.400
Okay.

00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:57.119
People walk past these buildings every day, not knowing what they're looking for, yet these buildings want to be heard.

00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:02.639
Well, I look forward to it coming out, and maybe we could have you on again when it does.

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.679
Um a good book.

00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:18.000
I just love how you used everything in your life to become who you are today and going back and allowing yourself to experience that and open up that vault.

00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.199
That's brave.

00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.880
It was a moment of clarity, and that was all Obama.

00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:30.880
But I I heard him um read that poem, which is a poem that you learn when you're lit.

00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.360
When you're in Cuba, you have to know the poem.

00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:34.639
At least you had to.

00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.400
Nowadays everything is different.

00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:41.920
But back when I was there, you had to memorize that poem because it's a poem about how to treat each other.

00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.320
You know, I cultivate a white rose for a friend.

00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.679
Well, that's easy.

00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.840
But I also knew one from my enemy.

00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.280
A little harder to do.

00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.920
Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world that everybody cultivated two roses?

00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:55.679
That's a good message.

00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:56.639
Yeah.

00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.239
Well, you were very brave to go back there.

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.719
That's a big thing.

00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.400
And look what it did for you.

00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.960
There's a chapter called The Pelican, which was my last day in Cuba.

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.119
We finally made it to Varadero.

00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:12.400
On the beach.

00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:18.639
The last day we spent in Varadero, because we all had to just kind of catch our breath.

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:24.239
Give me a day on the beach with my friends where we can talk about everything that happened all week.

00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.199
Whom better with than your friends, right?

00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:27.920
Right.

00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.000
And um and then the pelican happened.

00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.440
Um we went drinking, of course, the night before.

00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.840
We knew the next day we were gonna be in the beach.

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.320
So, you know what, let's go celebrate, you know, six beautiful days.

00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.880
Tomorrow we're gonna be on the beach and then we leave.

00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:45.519
You know?

00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.639
So let's just blow it out.

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.440
We did.

00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.840
You know, I was drinking to everything.

00:42:52.000 --> 00:43:01.039
I was drinking to uh, you know, Hector, I was drinking to Gilberto, I was drinking to my little me, I was drinking to my school, I was drinking to the gators.

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:02.000
I'm a gator.

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.360
You know, gator.

00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:08.079
I was drinking, I was drinking to everything, and they were too, we're having a great time.

00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.880
And the next morning Jose was sick.

00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.519
So we're on the beach, it's not feeling well.

00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.440
Uh Jose, let's go in the water.

00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:16.320
No, no, no, no.

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.239
I don't feel we need you guys go ahead.

00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:24.239
So George and I go in the water, we begin swimming, just feeling, and then it's like, let's go for a walk.

00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:32.719
And we go for a walk right along the the uh the shore, and we're rehashing the whole week.

00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:37.280
Jose is hung over, slinting it off, throwing up on the beach.

00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:38.320
It was horrible.

00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:40.719
So, and then he began snoring.

00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.280
So it's like it's it's it's time to get out of here, you know?

00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:59.039
So we didn't and so along the way, I I said, you know, um George, every day that I've been doing this, I keep wondering to myself, uh, what would my father think?

00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.840
Coming back to the island that he was forced to leave.

00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:04.559
Mm-hmm.

00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.519
Your dad, because what was your dad like?

00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.199
Yeah, my dad was a great guy.

00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:10.639
He had a great sense of humor.

00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.559
He was my best friend, right?

00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.679
I told him about a joke he used to always tell.

00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.880
That if he was on the beach with us, he would always told, tell the joke that I heard him say a thousand times about the pelicans.

00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:23.599
Mm-hmm.

00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:31.039
So he said that if reincarnation was possible, he wanted to sign up and then come back as a pelican.

00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:41.519
Because pelicans spend their days flying over the beach, looking at the girls in their bikinis, and then they would eat fish every day.

00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:54.239
And at night, when things got you know late, they would go land in the balconies of the most expensive condominiums and watch the sunset, just to do it all again the next day.

00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.199
It's a great way to spend eternity.

00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.519
And so not sooner than I said that, I'm looking at him.

00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.440
Behind me is the beach.

00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.880
And George goes, Mari, you're not going to believe this.

00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.199
Look what just landed behind you.

00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:10.960
A lone pelican.

00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:20.480
And he sat there, maybe 20 feet away from me, in the shallow part of the beach, where pelicans, there we go.

00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.239
And he's just staring at me.

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.320
He wouldn't look away.

00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:35.679
In the book, I say that I I have spent um the whole week putting in that vault.

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:48.639
As I was taking things out, I was putting in the pain and the agony of wondering whether my father would accept what I was doing.

00:45:50.000 --> 00:46:02.000
And then I said the sight of the pelican made me realize that I would not have to reopen that door because there was no reason to ever put anything in there.

00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:12.639
Of course, he would have been proud of the courage to go back and remember his family, our family.

00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:20.239
And without me saying it, George said, Mario, it seems to me that you're being sent a message.

00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.039
He wants you to know that he's proud of you.

00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.039
Now I'm not saying that the pelican was my dad.

00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:28.239
I'm not saying that.

00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.880
But I'm saying that that the siren song.

00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:34.079
Right.

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.280
Um placed a pelican there.

00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:38.079
Right.

00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:39.199
To communicate.

00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:40.639
It was another sign.

00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.920
It was it was a symbol.

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:43.519
It was letting you know.

00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.039
It's okay.

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:46.480
What a way to end it.

00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:54.639
What I would have started with Hector, what I would have ended with me making peace with going there and my relationships with my dad.

00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.159
That were always great.

00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.880
I I just can't get over how much happened in six days.

00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:02.239
Crazy.

00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:12.159
I mean, the way that all of I mean, I picture this taking place over weeks or months, but six days.

00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:12.880
Six days.

00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:14.079
Six days.

00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:15.119
Oh my gosh.

00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:16.960
Six beautiful days.

00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.719
Well, God can create the world in six days.

00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:26.000
And so I guess that all happened to you in six days.

00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.079
That that's just beautiful.

00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.599
Well, thank you for feeling that you felt led to share.

00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:36.159
Did you learn anything about yourself while you wrote the book?

00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:37.599
Did you learn more?

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.519
Memories kept coming back, and they're still coming back.

00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:42.239
Mm-hmm.

00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:48.639
But as as I'm writing, memories kept coming back.

00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:49.599
Mm-hmm.

00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.599
They're not coming back every day anymore.

00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.679
But once in a while, something, it just happened two days ago.

00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:02.559
The editor for the a hundred years will go a little deeper.

00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:03.599
Right.

00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:10.800
On um the whole friendship relationship and and and and everything else.

00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:12.400
And why would that happen?

00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.079
Could that happen today?

00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:22.000
And I began to to ask myself, why am I so why am I so involved in this book?

00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.559
What's driving me in this book?

00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:41.280
And then when I realized that yes, all these things happen, because the people that were living during that age, that ends in 1959, were the greatest generation.

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.360
And then it hit me.

00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:44.159
Okay.

00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.360
Even though I'm a baby boomer.

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.079
And my kids will tell you I'm a baby boomer.

00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:53.440
Don't be such a boomer, right?

00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.880
So they'll remind you real quick that you're a baby boomer.

00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:03.679
But I was raised by a family that we talked to with each other every day.

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.639
We had ongoing dialogues that would last days.

00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:11.360
It was that kind of house where we talked about anything we wanted to.

00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.159
There was nothing taboo, there was nothing off limits.

00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:15.039
We talk.

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:16.800
Because that's what families do.

00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.159
That's what people do.

00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.840
I learned that from my family.

00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:33.280
But even though I'm a baby boomer and I display every sign of being a baby boomer, I grew up a child of the greatest generation.

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.800
Because that was what taught me.

00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.840
Not one person, not two, but several.

00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.840
They taught me how to behave, feel, you know, uh be.

00:49:46.880 --> 00:50:01.199
Like, you know, the honesty of a handshake, integrity, dignity, loyalty, values, all of these things that makes the greater gener generation as wonderful as a generation was.

00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.519
A handshake was everything.

00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:07.519
You know, the reputation was everything.

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.280
And it dawned on me.

00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:10.000
Yeah.

00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:14.639
I went to Cuba looking for more than my history.

00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.519
I went to Cuba looking for my my own conscience.

00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.199
How did I grow up?

00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:27.840
I grew up being taught the values of the greatest generation.

00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:34.559
So when a guy like Hector does that, yeah, that's the way I grew up.

00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:42.559
When the lady and the Edison Institute lets me go in, imagine during classrooms.

00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:43.360
Mm-hmm.

00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.559
Let's say go in.

00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.119
That's the greatest generation.

00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:57.039
Everywhere I went, the acceptance, uh the the welcoming is all greatest generations.

00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:06.639
I think Cuba skipped the boomers because they've always been uh controlled by the 360 generation.

00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:08.880
That's all they know.

00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.800
I think they skipped over the boomer generation.

00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:14.639
And I saw that.

00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.679
And in many ways, that's a big portion of who I am.

00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.000
That value system.

00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.679
The work ethics, you know, all that.

00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:30.639
That generation.

00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:32.880
Doing something for others.

00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.519
So even lately that thought hit me.

00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.800
I went there wanting to feel that again.

00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:42.320
And at this.

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:43.280
Mm-hmm.

00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:44.239
Yeah.

00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:54.320
There's something to say about being raised under a dictatorship or control where you know you you're afraid to do anything.

00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:55.199
Yeah.

00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:02.719
And it sounds like, you know, you revisited a place that had uh some form of freedom.

00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:08.159
Well, the freedom is outside the fingertips of the government.

00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:09.519
Right.

00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.360
Outside the fingertips.

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:17.760
In other words, when the government is around, people act, speak, they behave a certain way.

00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.400
As soon as the government leaves, there you go.

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.599
And they become the the families.

00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.960
And in those families, you see those values.

00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:27.519
Right.

00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:28.559
See all that.

00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.639
Not so much with the government.

00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:32.400
Right.

00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:38.239
If you were to put it down to just simple words, bad government, good people.

00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:40.239
Right.

00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:41.920
That's what I I saw.

00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:42.880
Right.

00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:43.760
Why?

00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.679
Because they still had those those values.

00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:46.800
They haven't sold out.

00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:47.199
Right.

00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:48.960
Of course, there's some that have.

00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:54.559
I'm not gonna say that's everybody, but by and large, the people I met were all like that.

00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.320
Then they were all older.

00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.559
So Cuba is a beautiful place to you, even today.

00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:01.679
Even today.

00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:20.320
That's why I hope that if change does happen, I hope that it comes peacefully, that nobody gets hurt, and that the patrimony, the buildings, left behind that they remain.

00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:22.719
What a history told.

00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.559
They are more important than one dictatorship.

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There will be other governments sooner or later.

00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:33.039
That's the history of the world.

00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:38.480
Right?

00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.159
We transition every so often.

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:42.880
Mm-hmm.

00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:43.599
True.

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:45.840
It's only been 65 years.

00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.559
That's a lot in one person's lifetime.

00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:50.800
My own, it's most of my life.

00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:51.360
Right.

00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.599
But not if you look at it in epochs.

00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:56.559
Mm-hmm.

00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.039
Well, thank you for all of this.

00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.440
Your life's history.

00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.079
And also, it was a history lesson of Cuba.

00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.079
I really appreciate this.

00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.800
We're all part of a history lesson.

00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:11.599
You are.

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:12.639
Right.

00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.440
I am.

00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:14.159
We all are.

00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.000
We're all part of a history lesson.

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You might as well know it.

00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:19.599
You might as well realize it.

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Hopefully we learn from it.

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Yeah.

00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.199
And by the way, history is not politics.

00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:30.480
History is very because it includes history as it affects you.

00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:30.960
Right.

00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:31.840
And your family.

00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.119
And your loved ones.

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Humanity first.

00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:36.559
I've been saying that for years.

00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:37.920
That's a good point.

00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.239
That's a really good point.

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It's a good way to live.

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That's the inner peace.

00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:48.960
When you put each other's first, you have the inner peace.

00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.360
And we're more alike than we realize.

00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:52.880
Yes, we are.

00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:57.440
Well, it's like they look just like Cuba's except they spoke English.

00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:57.840
Yeah.

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.000
That's the way that a child sees it.

00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:01.360
That's the way that I see it.

00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:09.199
You know, if we saw the world the way kids do, it would be a different world, wouldn't it?

00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.639
Yeah, that child is still inside you.

00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:18.800
I'm telling you right here, you can feel that again if only you want to.

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There has to be a want for you to feel and put your prejudices aside.

00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:27.440
Mm-hmm.

00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:29.440
Yeah.

00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.159
Well, Mario, thank you.

00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:33.599
Thank you so much.

00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.639
This was such a beautiful conversation.

00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:38.480
Well, thank thank you for having me.

00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:42.880
It was good for me to thank.

00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.119
Thank you for bringing those questions.

00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.360
Thank you for making me remember one more time.

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Why it was a beautiful trip.

00:55:53.920 --> 00:56:02.559
How can people find your books and uh The Journey Back into the Vault and search of my faded Cuban childhood footprints?

00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:04.719
Or do you have a website?

00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:10.000
Yeah, I I have a website as mariocartaya.com.

00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:11.840
You can go there.

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.199
You can also go to Amazon.

00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:18.639
You can also go to uh any major bookstore and they'll have the book.

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:24.880
In English and Spanish, by the way, there is a Spanish version called La Bóveda.

00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:25.280
Okay.

00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:42.800
So anybody doesn't speak English, or they do speak Spanish, and you want to look at uh a boy that grew up uh on this trip, um, yeah, that book in Spanish exists.

00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.880
It's called La Bóveda.

00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:47.280
B-O-V-E-D-A.

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:48.320
Okay.

00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:55.679
Mario, your book reminds us that your past doesn't disappear just because time moves forward.

00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.679
It also proves that it doesn't disappear just because we can't remember it.

00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:06.079
Sometimes parts of our story wait patiently for us to come back and find them.

00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.920
And that little boy, I think he was waiting for you all that time.

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Journey back into the vault is a powerful reminder that healing can come from that most unexpected place, like walking down a childhood street that you thought you would never see again, or going to your grave sites of your grandparents and experiencing them and putting all those pictures on the gravestones.

00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.000
Oh my gosh, what a beautiful, beautiful moment.

00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:36.639
Thank you for sharing your story and your journey of rediscovering with us today.

00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:44.079
And to everyone listening, maybe this conversation made you think about your own story, your own memories, your own roots.

00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:51.519
Sometimes the parts of ourselves that we've forgotten are the very ones that help us understand who we truly are.

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.840
Please get Mario's book and look for the one that's coming out.

00:57:56.000 --> 00:58:01.119
And maybe this will help you connect with your own past and help you on a road to discovery.

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As I always say here on Real Talk with Tina and Anne, there is purpose in the pain and there's hope in the journey.

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And we will see you next time.